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Proposal: Introduce a notability guideline that can be used to decide whether an article merits inclusion onto this wiki.

Reasons we need a notability guideline

Over the past few months, I've noticed that no-one is really interested in improving articles about players that are not famous or notable apart from articles they have created themselves. As a result, these types of articles tend to be sub-par and oftentimes clear vandalism ends up being ignored in these articles. Because articles about non-notable players tend to be created by the subject of the article, unlike articles about notable players, these articles tend to violate our neutral point of view policy as well. Just take a look at this Reddit post from a year ago. Out of the 13 articles negatively referenced there, 12 (92.3%) were about players that don't meet the notability guideline I've outlined below. Of the 65 negatively referenced in this 2007HQ forum post, potentially only 2 would meet the criteria, meaning 96.9% were about people that do not meet the notability guideline I've outlined below. By getting rid of these articles, our wiki will get referenced negatively far less often, and people will have a far better impression of this wiki.

Another problem with non-notable articles is reliable sources are often not available for these types of articles, quite simply because these people are not as well known. In other words, there is a lack of reliably sourced content. This means very little if any of the content can be verified, and in most cases, we would be left with just hiscores achievements for these players if we removed content that could not be sourced. I can look at hiscores achievements using the RuneScape hiscores or XP tracking websites. Sure, we could include a lot of content that might not be verifiable and this would solve a problem with lack of content, but then we might have information about a player that is not publicly available included in articles. This could be a privacy invasion in many circumstances.

Summary: We should have a notability criteria mainly for two reasons:

  1. Articles about non-notable players tend be sub-par and oftentimes clear vandalism ends up being ignored in these articles because no-one is really interested in improving them.
  2. These articles tend to lack reliably sourced content since it's not available.

Proposed notability guidelines

These are the criteria I thought up of. I tried to make it so that anyone someone reasonably may consider well-known in RuneScape will probably meet the criteria. Old School RuneScape was released about a year ago and already I would say there would be about 100 players that would meet one of these criteria, so I'm not concerned we would not have enough articles.
A topic would be considered notable if it meets one or more of the following criteria:
1. The topic has been mentioned by a reliable source independent of the subject itself.
Examples:

  • In 2007, Zezima was mentioned in a study done by Cartoon Network's New Generations show.
  • In 2008, Andrew and Paul were listed as the UK's eleventh richest young entrepreneurs by The Daily Telegraph.

Explanation: An independent source is a source that has no connection to the subject. See this page for further information.
2. The subject has won a RuneScape-related award.
Examples:

  • Excl won the RuneScape Machinima Contest in 2009.
  • Will Miss It won the Golden Gnome Award for Best YouTube Channel during RuneFest 2013.

3.The subject has inspired, made a significant contribution, or is named after a RuneScape-related item or feature.
Examples:

  • Larriar, the Runcrafting master, is named after Larryr.
  • Before being removed, Erin the duck was named after Saber Six in Old School RuneScape.

4. The subject was the first or one of the first to achieve a significant milestone in the game. A significant milestone includes achieving level 99 or 200 million experience in a skill, achieving the maximum total skill level, or achieving the maximum combat level possible.
Examples:

  • Rab created the first RuneScape account.
  • Acid Soul was the first player to achieve 200 million Mining experience in Old School RuneScape.

5. The subject is or has been ranked at the top or near the top of the hiscores in a skill or activity for a significant period of time.
Examples:

  • S U O M I was the highest ranked player on the RuneScape hiscores for several years.
  • Castle Wars was ranked highest in the Activity hiscores for Castle Wars Games for at least a few months.

6. The player has won several seasonal hiscores competitions.
Example:

  • Zezima has won 9 seasonal hiscores competitions as of 22 May 2014.

7. The player has multiple thousand subscribers or their videos have multiple million views on YouTube. On Twitch, the player has multiple thousand followers or multiple hundred thousand video views.
Example:

  • NightmareRH has 209 thousand subscribers and 63 million video views as of 22 May 2014.

8. The player is the leader of, was the leader of, or created a popular clan.
Example:

  • Dragonseance is the owner of Efficiency Experts, which is ranked 2nd in the overall clan hiscores and has 385 members as of 22 May 2014.

9. The player created a popular RuneScape fansite.
Example:

10. At least one reliable source states the player is a well-known or one of the most well-known players, player killers, pures, skillers, or video makers. The reliable source must not be from the player the topic concerns.
Examples:

  • Tip.It said Excl is one of the "is one of many well-known RuneScape video makers on YouTube."
  • Mod MMG stated Zezima was arguably the most famous player of RuneScape.

Explanation: The reason for requiring a source from someone other than the player the topic concerns is so that someone can't just claim they're famous to keep an article about themselves on the wiki. Someone else needs to say this too.
11. The article is about a Jagex Moderator.
Examples:

12. The article concerns a type of player status or moderator.
Examples:

13. The topic concerns a month or year that RuneScape has been in existence.
Example:

Smithing (talk | contribs) 21:11, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

  • I agree with this and think that it should be passed as soon as possible. There are hundreds of pages that are essentially useless to anyone but the player that created the article. If people really need to make pages about themselves then it should be restricted to userspace only. This is the first time I've really visited this wiki and, no offence, it's a bit of a mess. Full support. - John Pot (talk) 16:37, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Notice - If no-one objects, I was thinking of adding the following criteria as well: "Players with multiple thousand Twitter followers". Smithing (talk | contribs) 05:34, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Notice 2 - I'll close this in a week if no-one has anything else to add. Smithing (talk | contribs) 13:22, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

On hold - Please do not make any further comments on this page. Since implementing this guideline would involve such a huge change, a discussion will be held on the talk page here to discuss the result of this discussion (whether enough people commented on the discussion etc.). Anyone is free to participate. Smithing (talk | contribs) 15:04, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Closed - After discussing the result on the talk page, the proposal will be implemented. To give me sufficient time to create the relevant guideline page and edit notice notifying users of the change etc., this proposal will come into effect in one hour (15:55 18 August 2014 UTC). Smithing (talk | contribs) 14:55, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

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